Thursday, November 29, 2012

Philosophy vs. Theology



Philosophy vs Theology... Augustine did not see these two disciplines as antagonistic to one another. In fact, without both, perhaps Augustine would not have been able to complete all of the accomplishments he achieved within his career as a writer, philosopher, and theologian. 

For this posting, please read the following passage. Your comment should be about whether you side with Tertullian or Augustine- and, why???

Tertullian is the church father who more than any other has been taken to epitomize the anti-intellectualism of the early Church. Tertullian wrote:
"For philosophy is the material of the world’s wisdom, the rash interpreter of the nature and dispensation of God. Indeed heresies are themselves instigated by philosophy… What indeed has Athens to do with Jerusalem? What has the Academy to do with the Church? What have heretics to do with Christians? Our instruction comes from the porch of Solomon, who had himself taught that the Lord should be sought in simplicity of heart. Away with all attempts to produce a Stoic, Platonic, and dialectic Christianity! We want no curious disputation after possessing Christ Jesus, no inquisition after receiving the gospel! When we believe, we desire no further belief. For this is our first article of faith, that there is nothing which we ought to believe besides."
Read more: Tertullian of Carthage, Early Church Father http://phoenicia.org/tertullian2.html#ixzz2DcwtjIqk


9 comments:

  1. We would side with Augustine, there are other beliefs then just God and Jesus Christ. Philosophy is used to question things, and this may be the cause of heresy like Tertullian had believed. Philosophy is necessary in belief and religion. It allows to have better grasp on what we believe and create a better relationship in our faith with God. Simply accepting something, is a decision without first thinking about it. To possess a full relationship, questioning what you believe is necessary. Augustine had a belief in God and in his philosophy with his hierarchy. Believing in only one thing to us, is ignorant and naive.

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  2. I would have to agree with Augustine on the joining of Theology and Philosophy. Philosophy helps to give additional meaning to Theology. One could ask themself, would God not want us to explore and learn about the world He created for us? Faith, of course, should be held in high regard, thus we should not seek to disprove God through philosophy and science, but to instead look to better ourselves and to admire the awe in the world He created. I personally feel that Tertullian may have feared scientific or intellectual advances and may have seen them as threats, thus he tried to discount philosophy.

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  3. I agree with Tertullian. When Tertullian compares Athens to Jerusalem or the Academy to the Church, I believe that they are somewhat accurate comparisons. I may disagree with one or two of the points that you could bring up about the two comparisons, such as how the Academy was for certain people and the Church is for everyone. But what I agree with Tertullian the most is when he says, " When we believe, we desire no further belief. For this is our first article of faith, that there is nothing which we ought to believe besides."

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  4. I agree with Augustine when it comes to integrating Theology and Philosophy. I feel that philosophy can be integrated into basically anything you do in life. You can look at anything from a philosophical perspective and further think out the situation for the benefit of the good. I feel that Augustine does not try to down God and faith by using Philosophy but to further his knowledge of religion and seek truths that are higher than one just simply believing in an already thought out religion. When Tertullian says, “Our instruction comes from the porch of Solomon, who himself had taught that the Lord should be sought in simplicity of heart,” I feel that this is not a way to approach God. If one just simply believed the simplicity of God, it would be silly because God is nowhere near such a simple topic. Learning and seeking to become more faithful, closer to God, and seeking higher truths would require lots of thought and other actions then simply just believing in simplicity of the Lord at heart as Tertullian has stated.

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  6. I have to agree with Augustine on this issue. The intergration of Theology and Philosophy would only help to build up religion to a more belivable and respected state. Even though its the nature of philosophy to question everything, questioning religion, against some people's beliefs, isn't always a bad thing. Questioning your religion can help you to better understand it and more fully accepted it as your own theology. Tertullian may have percieved philosphy as a threat which was dead set on disproving God, but when used correctly, philosphy could easily help deepen one's faith.

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  7. After reading both Tertullian's and Augustine's ideas about the integration of Theology and Philosophy, I would have to agree with Augustine. As long as one is not questioning the teachings of God or God himself, then it should not matter if philosophy is used to expand the ideas of theology. Many people still have questions about faith and theology that we do not know the answers to. Personally I feel as if though philosophy can be integrated into anything you do in life. It can broaden the views that a lot of people share. Philosophy doesn't have to correct the wrongs of theology, it can simply be used to look at theology in a different perspective than the norm.

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  8. I agree with Augustine's theory about theology and philosophy.If you are unshorn about your faith but still wont to be a part of it, then using philosophy to better help you understand your faith can be a good thing to people.

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  9. After reading both Augustines and Tertullians views about theology and philosophy together I would have to agree with Augustine. Augustine believes in the human created by God into the body then the soul which is based off the intellect involving philosophy. Which in fact our knowledge comes from the first thinkers in the pre Socratics which give us insight on the future and piece together parts of our faith and how we decide to think on our own. Tertullian is more pro theology which we "desire no further belief."

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