Thursday, February 5, 2015

Third Meditation....In Your Own Words


Read the 3rd Meditation- Here









Some Central Ideas within this Meditation:

3 possible types of ideas: innate, those originating in myself, and those that originate from something outside of me. We shall be most interested in the third group.

"I must still doubt both my senses and my intuitions concerning mathematical knowledge since God may have constituted me so as to be deceived even about those things I seem most certain."

"The idea of God could not have originated in me, since I am a finite substance."

You are doing the same with this Meditation as you did with the 2nd. 

19 comments:

  1. When I turn away from all my senses I can trust nothing. I consider everything to be false and nonexistent. I am thinking being but do I have real knowledge? How am I supposed to believe anything? Is it possible for me to obtain true knowledge? Can is there anything I can do to discover myself? To discover myself I have to be able to extend my knowledge more. But is there anything I can do to be assured that this knowledge is correct. Is there anyway for me to prove this knowledge false? Using math I can help prove my knowledge. Can I trust the image of the things in front of me? Are my ideas real or given to me?

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  2. The different types of ideas can show where the ideas were sparked. The first type of ideas are innate. Thoughts that you can not not know. These ideas are essential to the person. We must know these thoughts. Other ideas are thoughts that originate in ourselves. When a child throws a ball for the first time he must wonder, why does the ball fall to the ground? These thoughts are essential to our decisiveness and our problem-solving abilities. The other type of ideas come from others. In the Matrix, Neo learns about the Computer's control from Morpheous. If Morpheous never tells Neo this, he would have never known about the Matrix. The origins of a thought or idea reveals were the idea was born and who put the discover process in motion.

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  3. How does one understand reality? It is done by acceptance that everything in life is there for the purpose of conducting unique existence. It is clear that everything around me is not just an illusion of my mind, but real. My perception of these realities is what creates me. Where did concepts of things like math and science come from? Are they actually true even though they all derived from man? Even the idea of God cannot explain how humanity is as far in the realm of depth as it is. Why does nature create new ideas and problems? Things happen from evolution of prior ideas and things. The world is continuously developing and making progress, but it also has the potential of losing meaning.

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  4. Reality can be understood in what ways? One of the only ways I have found for understanding reality is to understand that everything in life has a unique propose. The other is that I cannot be certain is exist without all my perceptions of life are certain. The people and objects around me surely are not illusions my mind has made rather they are real. I know I exist therefore how I perceive the things around me is what creates me.
    How did the human understanding and ideas of math and the sciences come about? Could they just be ways to deceive us about the realities in life? God and faith in him can not fulling explain the realities in the world. What causes "reality" as we know it to always change?

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  6. I need to turn away from my senses. I need to examine my inner self, and become more familiar with who I am. Yes, perception and imagination are in me, but can I trust this? Does this deceive me? I know I can think, but what is truly required to make me certain of something like this? God must be something I learned since I could not have been born with this idea. God is infinite, and I'm not. What if God is deceiving me? What things can I truly know? Did God make math and science to deceive me, or can I actually trust this? What defines reality? Reality is constantly changing, so how can there be a true definition of it? Is reality what we seem to be true? Am I to have my own reality?

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  7. How must we know what reality truly is, if it is constantly changing? Do we believe in the reality now or what reality is to be in the future? If I can't know the truths about reality how am I suppose to know the truths that of myself? How do I know if the thoughts in my head are real? Do my thoughts change and that is why I realize reality is changing? I know I can think but having the capability of having thoughts does that give me the ability to know the truth? What if I am deceived by an unknown? Most of all what if I am being deceived by the one we call God? What can I truly know without being deceived? Can I trust mathematics and sciences or were those created to fool me? I need to look deeper into myself and turn away from my senses to find the true me, to find who I am.

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  8. I lose all trust in reality when I lose the ability to trust my senses. Nothing truly exists when I am unable to use my senses. I understand that I can see things but I am unsure if I can trust what I see. I am unsure if my senses are trying to deceive me. God may have created all things but how am I supposed to believe that? I cannot see God, I cannot feel God, and I cannot hear God. Even if I could, how am I supposed to know if my senses are not just deceiving me? I am told that God is infinite. I know that I am not. That is what I have been told. Is God just deceiving as well? Has God created mathematics and science to deceive me? Is this all a part of reality or is this all just fake? Everything around me is always changing. How am I supposed to believe that things are real when nothing ever stays the same?

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  9. I will stop using all my senses to find out what I need on my own will. I only need the different consciousness that lay inside my mind. I have already acknowledge all of the knowledge I hold by I attempt to gain more as time extends. I do not see a time where I can afford any errors during my knowledge of ideas. Although some of these ideas as fiction they cannot be thrown away because you can still get and use ideas coming from their source. In truth I believe that there is no higher object of perfection in our reality that can be greater than us as humanity.

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  10. In my meditations, I have come to the realization that there three kinds of ideas. There are: innate, ones we come up with ourselves, and those that are created by others. What makes these ideas which? Our innate ideas are our appetites for food and water. The ideas we come up with ourselves can be names and words. I find these kinds of ideas all come from the mind and it is there we must aim to remain. Our intellect is what holds all our answers to the world. I need to focus on being able to find all the answers in my mind in order to create a better world.

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  11. I am certain that I exist but I doubt all else. Whatever I think of clearly and without any doubt is true. All I know of a thing is what I perceive it to be. To understand the reality of God I must first put my thoughts into different categories. There are three types of ideas. I possess innate, internal, and external ideas. Most of my ideas are external and all that is external is doubtful. I cannot doubt my own existence because of a revelation by the natural light.
    How have I come to be? There is a cause of my ideas and my reality and it is not me. I am imperfect which means thatI could not have created myself. There has to be something greater than my perception which has created me. I am finite and therefore cannot perceive an infinite being.

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  12. My senses they seem to either be one of my greatest attributes or as of recent my greatest decievers producing this reality which I cannot be sure of one I cannot trust in order to decide if my senses are for my own good or my ultimate downfall I must separate myself from my senses and travel the path to become enlightened . When I seperate from using the majority of my senses I see nothing of this reality it makes it hard to decide if my senses deceive me or enlighten me.

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  13. How could I understand reality, when I could not trust anything but doubt everything. I need my senses to figure out what is true and not of doubt in existence. But it's hard to a certain degree because everything is visible and could trick my mind to believing it. And if I trust these ideas , it could possibly lead me to a direction to where I do not want to go. But, if I correct it and change my methods and use my internal mind instead of believing external things, I can and could find thee non- doubtable solution; by myself.

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  14. Thoughts that you can not not know are innate. These ideas are essential to the person. We must know these thoughts. Other ideas are thoughts that originate in ourselves. When a child throws a ball for the first time he must wonder, why does the ball fall to the ground? The origins of a thought or idea reveals were the idea was born and who put the discover process in motion. How must we know what reality truly is, if it is constantly changing? Do we believe in the reality now or what reality is to be in the future? If I can't know the truths about reality how am I suppose to know the truths that of myself? How do I know if the thoughts in my head are real? Do my thoughts change and that is why I realize reality is changing? I know I can think but having the capability of having thoughts does that give me the ability to know the truth? What if I am deceived by an unknown? Most of all what if I am being deceived by the one we call God?

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  15. "The existence of God"
    At this point I have realized that I am a thinking being. However I still doubt the senses, and unless I am convinced that my perception is correct, what I am doubting must be false. Only when that which I am studying is clear and concise is when it can be deemed the truth. Now that I have found this, I must dive into the nature of God to be able to understand that which is real and true. Things like arithmetic may be true, but I cannot prove them yet. First I have to classify my ideas. 1st- images, 2nd- affects, 3rd- judgement. Then must be the order of ideas. 1st- innate, 2nd- Internal 3rd- external. However I am not sure where these ideas come from. Whether they are spontaneous, or based off previous observation.
    The proofs- I know all ideas have to come from somewhere. I have a good knowing of myself and my ideas. Thus God must have come from somewhere else. Another question is my existence, where I came from. Did I come from God? Or simple my parents. I am imperfect and must have come from something perfect. Thus I know God is an idea.

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  16. I realize now through enough thought that I can't relay on sensations to guide my reasoning. As I move through my mind I see that many objects I considered truth are to false as enough examination can dispel the illusion. I consider now of if my ideas themselves can be truth as my idea relied on sensations to judge. Can I too be right in the thoughts of what made me be? Why would a creator give me thoughts so to question my surroundings on purpose? I've also came across that nature is my teacher as I have taken in information of life from my surroundings. Some things certain truth and others questionably false. Some falsies too maybe truths given given different context of nature like different languages. So it seems closer examination is the only way of knowing. I would like to go back in mind to the infinity and how is it possible to be comprehended by a being like me who is finite?

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  17. I need to turn away from my senses. I need to examine my inner self, and familiarize myself with who I really am. Even though imagination and perception are within me, can I trust them? Do they deceive me? Yes I can think, but what is truly required to make me certain of something like this? God himself is something I learned. I could not have been born with this idea since we are all born with relatively no ideas. God is infinite, whilst I am not. What if I am being deceived by God? What things can I truly know? Did God make math and science and other things we perceive to be known and true to deceive me, or can I actually trust this? What defines reality? Reality is constantly changing, so how can there be a true definition of it? Is reality what we see to be true? Am I to have my own reality?

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  18. In order for me to find myself, and find things to be certain, I must let go of what influences and guides me. This means at this point, I cannot trust my senses. I must realize I am a human being of consciousness. Therefore , I will love, hate and show many different emotions .The knowledge that I have which is certain is also doubtless.There are many things which I think I have knowledge of. But Actually, I only know what my mind has been predetermined to understand about many simple things,like the sky, the stars, the water etc.This is why I doubt the purposes of these things. My Mind creates innate ideas, which are self evident. The external ideas are ideas that are extended through time and space and are very common and must be doubted at times.I believe that God is an example of an innate idea in our minds. He is self evident,Therefore one can argue that he exists even though he isnt physically real.

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  19. How can I be certain that the things that I thought best guided me, are not really just deceiving and manipulating me? I cannot be absolutely certain of this unfortunately. What if the things I believed to be true and I believed I had a grasp on were wrong? My understanding of everything is really just the opposite of a reality and is actually wrong, things I found to be so simple and that have been right in front of me my entire life, I now know nothing about them. These could be tricks the mind plays on me while reality is occurring and I am missing it because my mind is only allowing for so much. This could all be an illusion made up by my mind disallowing me to know things that I find to be so simple and easy to understand when really, they are complex and impossible to understand.

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