These are the three major topics/themes we will read about in class today concerning The Apology of Socrates. Please put the designated passages into your own words in the Comments Section of this posting.
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1st passage- The first passage explains a corrupt man that does Socrates harm, but that Socrates does his harm also. The difference being, is the corrupt man does so intentionally, as Socrates does so unintentionally, but his accusers say otherwise. It also talks about the charges that Meletus has brought forth against Socrates which is that he corrupted the young.
ReplyDelete2nd Passage- In this passage, Socrates uses God as his main root of explanation. He states how God has ordered him to do what he is doing and that he must do so, and if he is accused for corrupting the youth, then they would also be accusing God. He also states how he must obey God and one must improve their soul. Finally, he states how people only care about money and they need to focus more on improving their soul and becoming more wise.
3rd Passage- This passage explains that good men do not experience evil. Socrates blames his accusers for doing him no good, not for accusing him which is a very interesting thing for one to say, even Socrates. He also states that his kids should be troubled by these same people accusing him since "apparently" Socrates has troubled these people. Finally, he states that God knows everything, especially the things that we humans can not come to know. I pose a question. Is it better for Socrates to die and his accusers to live, or vise versa? Can we come to know, or can only God know?
1st- The man is stating to Socrates that although you were given this title by the gods and even if you wished to find out if the title brought upon you form a Oracle was true or not the actions you are committing are still being committed by you. If you had conversed with the council in private you could get away with saying its from the gods but since you are in a courtroom You will be judged by YOUR actions.
ReplyDelete2nd- In the second Socrates states just like a soldier ordered to stay at his post for his work is needed for the betterment of other so too is his work of philosophy he wouldn't stop even in the face of death. He includes he is doing his work on behalf of the gods.
1st- In the first passage Socrates' messes with Meletus' head. Socrates says that good people can unintentionally cause harm to others. He then says if I was doing you harm why do you not take me aside and confront me on it. But instead of teaching him the right thing to do he just let him be ignorant.
ReplyDelete2nd- In this passage he talks about how he is the wisest. He says that God is the one who wants him to pursue the knowledge and is telling him to pass on his knowledge. he says " For this is the command of God.." In saying this he is accusing them in not only accusing him but also God. Is he truly on a mission from God?
3rd- In the final passage he talks about death. He says that there is nothing to fear because the worst thing that could happen is an eternal sleep. He also says if death is like going to another world then it will be a gain.He says that no evil can happen to a good man in both life or death. He believes that death will be good for him and his accusers meant him no harm. Is death truly something to not fear? Could it be worse than he proposes? Can evil not really happen to good men?
1st- In the first passage Socrates tries to confuse meletus by saying that good people could unintentionally cause harm to each other, but if the harm is done why do you sit there and let it happen, why do not talk to me about it.But for some reason it feels as though Socrates is not really helping him.
ReplyDelete2nd- The second passage Socrates talks about him being the most intelligent and God wants him to use this gift to help and teach the unknowing.
3rd- the third passage Socrates talks about the death that he will soon encounter but he knows that death is of only an internal sleep, but could possibly be another world. He also knows that if you have a good soul that nothing evil will happen to you dead or alive. Socrates does not fear death but embraces it because nothing of evil or fear will come against him.
1. In this passage here Socrates is explaining that he an another man have corrupted one another however in Socrates defense he explains that he did not intentionally corrupt the man for the man intentionally corrupted him. With that said he can not have any charges held against him for they unintentional actions. Then the passage carries on to Socrates explaining that he teaches the youth not to acknowledge the gods which the state acknowledges for he is not corrupting the youth.
ReplyDelete2. In this passage Socrates brings God in his defense. He basically says that everything he is doing is God's plan for him that if they accuse him for his wrong doings then they are accusing God an you cannot accuse God for anything wrong for God is the Objectively Good. Later in the passage he talks about people needing to focus more on purifying their souls rather than focusing on money.
3. In this passage he talks about how no evil can affect a good man. He carries on to talk about death. To add he says that no evil can a affect a good man either in his life or after his life(death). He has no fear for death for he believes he is a good man without a guilty charge.
1. I the first passage Socrates is calling out Meletus for purposefully accusing him of such crimes. He defends himself, saying that the teaching of his wisdom does no harm. He is just teaching the young Athenians the various spiritual lives. He also goes on to blame Meletus for taking this more personal matter into the hands of the law.
ReplyDelete2.In this second passage, Socrates believes he is doing what God wants him to do, and if these men accuse Socrates of evil-doing then they are also disrespecting God. Socrates explains that he is doing the thing he wants to do, which is share his philosophy with the youth of Athens. He goes on to say that if the judges let him go and tell him that if he does it again they will kill him, that he would rather go out and preach his philosophy, then stop teaching. He finally encourages the men to live more like himself, a better moral life that consists of enlightenment and philosophy.
3. Socrates explains that in his views, that if you live a good life, nothing really bad will ever occur upon you. He says that he is not going to hold a grudge against his accusers, but wants them to know that they have caused an inconvenience in his life. Socrates also wants them to know that those who pursue his own philosophy in example that his children should also be accused of the same thing because they will be doing the same as him. Then he leaves saying let God do his work.
1. Socrates speaks about a man that does harm to him and Socrates does it back. The difference between the two is that the man is doing it intentionally while Socrates does it unintentionally. Socrates goes on to explain that if he has done something wrong then he has done it unintentionally and he should have been instructed to change his actions rather than be punished for them. Socrates then asks Meletus about what he has done to poison the mind of the youths.
ReplyDelete2. Socrates compares his practice of philosophy to a soldier on the battlefield. He explains that the soldier knows that they may die but they still go out and fight because they do what they are told. Socrates would continue to practice and teach philosophy because he shall obey God. Socrates then asks why some men of Athens care so little about their souls and so much about their money and reputation. Socrates then explains his teachings saying that he wishes for all to think more about the improvement of their soul rather than their properties.
3. The conclusion Socrates reaches is that the good man has nothing to fear on Earth or after death. He denies any grudge against his accusers, even though they want him dead, and asks his friends to look after his sons and to make sure that they always put goodness above money or other riches. Socrates then brings up question of whether death or life is better. He then concludes by saying only God knows.
1. Socrates explains that this charge is absurd because no harm has been done intentionally. He should not be charged of something he has done unintentionally. He does not believe that he had not been informed of the law and that there was not a thorough investigation.
ReplyDelete2. Socrates believes by him being on trial means that god is being put on trial . Socrates believes that he is fulfilling gods plan and that he has been given a gift and he is going to continue to use it. He encourages that others should do the same instead of focusing on unimportant things.
3. Socrates believes that if u do good that evil will rarely be done to you because acts do go unnoticed by god. He ultimately wants his children to follow in his footsteps and Socrates tells the Jury that if his sons grow up to be like average people that are ignorant, then they should be punished too. He ends by asking who has really won in the courtroom in gods eyes.
1st passage- The first passage talks about how a corrupt man is willing to do harm to Socrates and how Socrates takes the eye for an eye approach to get back that the man. The only thing that is different about Socrates does not do the harm intentionally but of course his accusers believe that he does mean it. A more interesting note is that the passage introduces the idea, brought forth by Meletus, that Socrates was corrupting the youth. In what way was Socrates corrupting the youth? The answer to that is simply, none. Socrates in no way corrupted the youth instead he showed new light in the world.
ReplyDelete2nd Passage- the second passage brings out one of Socrates greatest counter arguments, God or in this case the gods told me what I was and if you accuse me for that then you accuse the gods. He beloved that his actions were shading new light into the faith of Athens, which in turn would improve the soul. This idea has been used many times, looking at the bible you can see many people that do the same thing. Jesus is a prime example of this way of thinking and he to was put on trial for it. Jesus talked about how one must let go of material objects, Socrates did the same thing. He believe that if one focused on the soul then they would become more wise and powerful.
3rd Passage- Good men do not experience evil is a point that the third passage expresses. Socrates appeared to feel almost insulted that he caused of not being good. He blame his accusers for this, for not understanding good and evil. He concludes the God or the gods know everything, things that are beyond the human understanding. Socrates was in a way trying to open up their minds to see this.
1. In the first paragraph, Socrates explains that the charges against him should not be valid because he did not do them intentionally. He is saying that a man corrupted himself but falsely blamed Socrates for the corruption. Socrates explains that it was not his fault and that he should not be in this situation in the first place.
ReplyDelete2. In this section, Socrates explains that he teaches philosophy because it is all a part of Gods plan. He says that if he were to stop teaching philosophy, then it would be disobeying the reason why god put him on the earth. He also explains that instead of worrying about the charges that are against him, the jury should be worried about purifying their souls.
3. Finally, Socrates says that if you live a truly good life, then no evil can come to you. He explains that he does not blame or hold grudges against his accusers because they simply do not understand. He then says that he wants his sons to be intelligent like him. Socrates ultimately concludes that he his not afraid of death because he says that no evil can be done to him.
1. The first passage is all about Socrates and how he calls out one of his accusers, Meletus. Socrates takes a very defensive tone when he combats the accusations made against him. He says his impending punishment is unfair because it doesn't fit his supposed crime. Socrates goes on to say that he unintentionally caused harm because he did not intend to cause harm. This, he says, makes him a good person instead of his accusers who are actively trying to harm him, making them bad.
ReplyDelete2. The second passage is when Socrates incorporates God into his defense in attempts to bail him out of his trial. He says that his doings are through what the oracle at Delphi had predicted and he is only following the will of the gods. And because of this incorporation, we can see Socrates's wit and on the fly thinking. With the gods being brought into the trial, Socrates's accusers are put in a dilemma. They cannot call out god as a criminal as it demeans the very point of the gods' divinity.
3. Socrates's conclusion is almost a definition of what Socrates believes. He makes the point that if people do good, then no evil shall befall them. Which is interesting because it is very karma-esque in context. Socrates basically takes the high road as he lectures his accusers that what they do is wrong in the gods' eyes and that only the gods can judge right from wrong. He also leaves a parting plea for his sons to not become an ignorant follower, but to be a person that values happiness and true justice as the most important things.
passage 1 is talking about how you are a product of your environment and that what you bring to it is what you get from it. "good do their neighbors good, and the evil do them evil." Passage 2 is about how socrates believes god has sent him to fulfill the mission of exploring with in him self and other me. He brings up alot of god and how he is the answer for philosophers. passage 3 he is saying he wants equality he wants and givers permission for the people to do wrong to his sons as he's done wrong to them, giving balance to the situation.
ReplyDelete1. In the first passage Socrates talks about good equals good and evil equals evil. Then he says that darkness and ignorance as not to know that if a man with whom I have to live is corrupted by me, but i am very likely to be harmed by him. Which means he corrupts people although people corrupt him to.
ReplyDelete2. The second passage talks about Gods and what they and he accuse others of. He also involved morals such as focusing on how people should live there lives rather than toss it away without doing something good for others.
3. Passage three talks about how people who judge, should know the truth about death and be appreciative of it. Another thing talked about is when his sons are grown up you should punish them if they only care about riches and virtues. The last thing he said is God only knows how i should live or die.
In the first passage these men that Socrates is exposing are accusing him of corrupting the youth. Socrates finds this to be a silly accusation because he does so unintentionally, he is only doing as he was told to do. He argues that instead of them automatically accusing him of such a crime he should have been given a fair chance or warning.
ReplyDeleteIn the second passage Socrates is comparing what he is doing to that of a soldier. He says he is only doing what he was told to do by the gods, to please them, as a soldier would to please his leader. Socrates does not necessarily enjoy doing nothing but standing around proving higher authority figures wrong, but he does it because the gods called him to it.
The third passage discusses Socrates argument toward ignorant men. He says that if a man has fulfilled his life's calling by the one he worships, that man shall live his like without evil done to him. He goes on to say if a man, even his sons, lives his life in ignorance he shall have evil cast upon him, which is why Socrates sees himself as superior to them in the gods' eyes because he was fulfilling what he was called to do.
1. Socrates is saying that he in his limited wisdom was ignorant at the time of this law and instead of bringing law into the picture why not just take Socrates aside and help him to better understand the law. Socrates infers that Maletus is taking this court case more personally than just for the good of Athens and is unfit to be accusing Socrates.Is Socrates accusing Meletus to be a corrupt official?
ReplyDelete2.In the second passage Socrates is saying that god has chosen him to spread his philosophies and saying who am i to challenge the will of God. Socrates tells that he wold rather be put to death than to stop spreading his knowledge to those he considers to need it. He tells them straight up that even though his teachings may very well be corrupting the youth but hi will never stop educating the less knowledgeable.cold Socrates be considered a martyr if he says he is willing to spread his word under the instruction of God?
3.Socrates is saying that they have not only killed him they have taken away a father from his sons which he states that if their anything like him they will be punished as he has. he is saying that they are not doing this to wrong him but they are also not doing this to help Athens.Is Socrates trying to guilt the court by bringing up his sons?
1st passage - Socrates is saying good people can cause harm unintentionally . If i have harmed you , why not talk me to me in private ? ... If the issue isn't confronted , you will get harmed unintentionally more often than not
ReplyDelete2nd passage - Socrates of how he gets his wisdom from God . & God wants him to share his wisdom with others , for they know nothing . Socrates says if you're accusing me , you're accusing God . How can you put god on trial ?...
3rd passage - Socrates says we shall greet death . A good man will not be affected by evil in life or death . Socrates says he is not angry at his accusers , for they know not what they do ; they didn't harm me , even though they tried too
1. Here Socrates is making the claim that others think he is corrupting those around him through the way he "bothers" people in the city squares. In addition, he states that since people hated to converse with him, they did not teach him the ways that everyone else lived by. Instead of trying to teach him the correct ways to do things in life, they indicted him to the courtroom.
ReplyDelete2. Socrates here is using God in his defense. He is saying that God gave him a mission and he sought out to do it. In doing so, he was condemned. He says says also that if he chose not to do what God sent him to do, he would be deemed as blasphemous. If he was scared of dying in this task, he would be labeled as someone who does not believe in the gods and would be condemned in court.
3. Socrates concludes his apology by stating once more than he has done no wrong. He used God one more time to say that God does not punish those who do good on earth and after life. He finished his thoughts by giving the court permission to "punish" his sons as he "punished" people in the city squares. He uses this compromise as a means of justice in the eyes of everybody.
1st passage - Socrates wants to confuse Meletus. He does this by using his superior intellect and calls him for accusing Socrates for doing harm, but at the same time he says that good people can perform harm, that they do not realize what they are doing which is allegedly wrong. He was only enlightening the youth and he wished to have been addressed in his actions in a different manner.
ReplyDelete2nd passage - Socrates addresses his lifestyle as an act of God, he uses the analogy of being a soldier and God is his commander and he had to do what was asked of him. He strongly believes his actions of good and moral, and he does not regret any of it. Therefore he says that if he is being convicted for serving God then he would not want to live in a world where someone is charged for that sort of crime.
3rd passage - Socrates talks about morals and fair punishment, not only fair to him but others that are greatly impacted by him; mainly his sons. He states how since he had not done any wrong, no evil is due to him. Death is not a fear of Socrates and he will accept it knowing that he cannot be touched by such irrational thinking. He said how he wants his sons to be intelligent like him, and not grow to be ignorant men like the accusers before him.
Passage 1: Socrates is talking about how he is being accused of corrupting the youth of Athens. He says that he does not do it intentionally if he is corrupting them. So he talks about how the court should have taught him to talk to the people, but instead they brought him to court.
ReplyDeletePassage 2: Socrates talks about how he is following the gods orders by teaching, and that he can not disobey the gods. He says that he will always do what the gods say rather than what the court will tell him to do. He will die multiple deaths before
he gives in to listening to them.
Passage 3: Socrates talks about how his condemners did not he can still blame them. Socrates then talks about how he wants his sons to be punished like the court punished him.